SUZANNE SEGAL1
I am going to end this chapter with the examination of one of the more interesting cases of No Self. This comes from Suzanne Segal, known for her Paris bus stop story. It is fascinating because she describes the confusion of No Self from having no one around to explain to her what was happening, or worse, feed her false ideas about what this all meant. There is a twist in her story, one that makes it even more important for us to examine.
Ten years after her experience, she wrote the book Collision With the Infinite. Following that publication, she began teaching on various satsang circuits, because so many teachers she had met told her that she was enlightened. When she began to have doubts about what had happened to her, a history of childhood abuse began to surface. This was in enough time to get her to view here entire experience very differently, but she would live a short life, diagnosed with a brain tumor that soon killed her at age 42. During these late in life challenges, she supposedly wrote a second book that presented her experience very differently than in her Collision book. The claim (that we will get to) is that her publisher refused to print the second book. While her first book I found somewhat useful, there is almost no doubt that her second book could have been one of the great spiritual texts of our generation, and I am looking to see if a draft of it still exists anywhere.
We will begin with the standard presentation of her life based on what was presented in her first book. Segal was born in 1955, though she never provided a birthplace. She also did not include much about her early life until she was 18, where she became a member of the Transcendental Meditation Movement. Of this organization, she recounts the very strange training and intense pressure that was placed on everyone, and also some examples of abuses she witnessed. She claims that she joined the group to seek enlightenment, but she left before such “perfection” occurred.
I have to admit I found it odd that the first 18 years of her life seemed almost to not exist (and this is a clue). In fact, her parents’ names only appear in the acknowledgments at the end of the book. About the only thing in Collision that Suzanne lists of her early life is an odd exercise that she did. We will come to that.
Her account in the book goes on to then one day while living in Paris in 1982, after getting married and while carrying her first child, she was about to step onto a bus, when her ears “popped.” Immediately after, her awareness left its normal vantage point (from a mind seeing out into the world via the eyes) to a position of being an external witness of both the body and mind, from behind and just to the left of it.
"I lifted my right foot to step up into the bus and collided head-on with an invisible force that entered my awareness like a silently exploding stick of dynamite, blowing the door of my usual consciousness open and off its hinges, splitting me in two. In the gaping space that appeared, what I had previously called 'me' was forcefully pushed out of its usual location inside me into a new location that was approximately a foot behind and to the left of my head. 'I' was now behind my body looking out at the world without using the body's eyes."2
The new awareness, she claimed, was placed just to the back and left of her head. As such, it does not seem to me that it was an OBE, for her consciousness was not able to move around or examine her body. Just that the awareness had moved outside of her head where it normally felt centralized. This external witness stayed with her for a few months, and then sort of dissolved. No sense of regular self ever returned. The identity (Suzanne) that had been there all of her life was not there.
“The personal self was gone, yet here was a body and a mind that still existed empty of anyone who occupied them. The experience of living without a personal identity, without an experience of being somebody, an “I” or a “me,” is exceedingly difficult to describe, but it is absolutely unmistakable. It can’t be confused with having a bad day or coming down with the flu or feeling upset or angry or spaced out. When the personal self disappears, there is no one inside who can be located as being you...The mind, body, and emotions no longer referred to anyone — there was no one who thought, no one who felt, none who perceived. Yet the mind, body, and emotions continued to function unimpaired; apparently they did not need an “I” to keep doing what they always did. Thinking, feeling, perceiving, speaking, all continued as before, functioning with a smoothness that gave no indication of the emptiness behind them.”3
She said that pretty much from the moment her ears popped at the bus stop, this "cloud of awareness" she was describing as her new moment to moment awareness, brought her constant fear. A fear that even continued while she attempted to sleep or rest. I never experienced such a specific shift of the central point of awareness after my experience in the canyon. The change most noted was more of a comforting watcher that was both “here” and “not here.” The best I can say though is because there was a death for me, in that I felt as though the old me was dead, and the body-mind that was functioning now was a new thing that would operate in a new way. I can in a sense understand what Segal was describing, but it was not the same as my experience.
After several weeks in this confused state, she finally told her husband, who suggested that she see a psychologist, which she did. The only advice given on her first meeting was a prescription for a light anti-anxiety medication. For me, that presents a major problem, the covering up with drugs of a phenomenon which may be real and valid. The drugs try to “fix” a problem that may not need to be fixed because it is not actually a problem, but rather a condition that needs to be understood and eventually embodied. She went to various psychologists over several years, but none ever helped, just mostly prescribing drugs. She was in time given the diagnosis of depersonalization disorder, and that diagnosis might have been both correct and incorrect. There are two things that can seem the same. One is the ego's reaction to a trauma (or memory of a trauma) that causes it sort of disengage from its normal way of functioning to protect itself from the experience or memory. Then there is the Realization of No Self, who is a seeing of how reality actually IS. One can also be presented an honest Realization of Emptiness, but not be in a stable and clear enough mental place to fully handle it, and thus can spin off into very dangerous and messy areas, which a depersonalization diagnoses can be pointing to. My sense is that all of these things might have been going on at the same time for Suzanne, making it very difficult for her to get a clear picture of what was what. My sense is that she was stuck between the two sides of the realization which makes her story such a useful tool for others on the path.
She long tried to explain that there was nothing in her past that could have been a catalyst for what had happened. “Do not make the mistake of reading the story of Suzanne Segal searching for the childhood events that caused to subsequent dropping away of self. There is no linear causality at work here.”4 We shall see there were elements from her childhood that she blocked off until right near the end of her life. The only bit of childhood that her first book touches on was a very odd exercise that she did when very young. From the time she was around seven years old, she would sit on her bed and simply say her name over and over again.
“After crossing a threshold, a vastness appeared. The name became a word only, a collection of sounding pulsing in the vast emptiness. There was no person to whom the name referred, no identity as that name. No me. Then fear would come, my heart pound in my ears, I would struggle for air...I would stop, get up, walk around, force myself back from the vastness and into the identity. It was too frightening to bear for someone so young...but later that day I would return to the couch and sit again and start to say the name.”5
Interestingly she was not only having a type of experience of No Self, which would cause her great fear, to which after she had returned back into her normal self, would then do same the exercise again. At the Paris bus stop something similar happened but without any saying of her name, only this time awareness fully pulled away and she was not able to bring it back. The question which she never answered is why would she be doing this as a child?
In the Paris experience, the work she was doing at age seven got revisited in the most intense and immediate way. Nothing else for over a decade triggered any ideas or connections between the two. When her memories of childhood abuse came back to her, there was much more to present what may have been going on. This exercise she was doing is similar to what is called a disconnecting of a part of self during a trauma to be able to survive the experience, but often this “part” does not fully returns (what people like Sandra Ingermen have labeled as the needing what she called a soul retrieval).
After almost a decade of struggling with the aftermath of the bus stop, Suzanne began to bump into several non-dual Advaita teachers of the day. They convinced her that because of her experience, she was enlightened. I already mentioned this as being one of the traps of No Self, to elevate the experience on the spiritual ladder. I do believe her experience at the bus stop was genuine, and that fear is something that can come in the aftermath of an un-integrated realization of No Self. It is why I suggest many times that if this should happen to you, taking quiet time alone is important to better understand what has happened and allow some adjusting to take place.
Another recommendation which comes with the realization of No Self is to not drop titles like “specialness” or “enlightenment” on yourself. Because such ideas are just pre-made traps to try make the Realization mean that you the person are special and important, rather than the experience itself. Suzanne was close to giving birth to her first child when the experience occurred, so it was likely very hard for her to take any time to examine exactly what happened for many years. Life often never does things the “perfect way.” Just like my fall into the canyon, it was both a blessing and a curse at the same time. To clarify, an experience of Emptiness does not make one enlightened, besides that word is mostly misused and misunderstood. Emptiness is just a step, albeit an important one, on the further journey up the spiritual ladder.
As time went on, the idea that she was told she was enlightened (which had been the goal of all of her earlier TM work), so at first this presentation become a calming experience for her. She had an explanation that fit her wishes from over a decade prior. One day while driving, she had a shift of awareness to where she could see all (the car, road, trees, Suzanne) as herself. She called this being “in the Vastness,” which is a term she also used in her 7-year-old experiences. She had made the shift from the nothing side of Emptiness to the everything side (which is the more fun and calm side). This is an important part of the overall integration, as one needs to experience and integrate both halves of the Emptiness. Like everything, the work is to learn how to be perfectly between both sides of duality, but one first has to know both sides of duality, so as to know what they are between.
With her new calmness, and belief that the Advaita teachers had been correct about “enlightenment,” she began to teach to a small group that started to form around her. Not soon after she began teaching, she was diagnosed with a brain tumor, and a short time later (1997), she died. In the aftermath, many have suggested that her experience was due to the tumor. More importantly was the fact that she never fully believed the teacher's suggestion that she was enlightened and really wondered if she should just stop talking about her experience. It was at this point that memories of severe childhood sexual abuse began to be recalled, and now she wondered if all of the No Self, Vastness, and whatnot were just a physiological defense mechanism to wall her off from her traumatic memories. That was the story as I knew it from when I first read her book around 2008.
In the spring of 2024 when I was doing a bit of extra research for Empty the Cave, an interesting revelation occurred based on a comment placed on the Spiritualteachers.org website in 2017 by someone with the user name “Java.”6 The commenter claimed that they were very close to Suzanne just before her death, and that she wrote a second book which was going to completely overturn all she that had been presenting in Collision with the Infinite. I cannot quote the entire comment in its entirely, you can see it at the footnote, username Java posted on November 5, 2017 at 5:08 pm.
In a nutshell, Java claimed that her new book would have described how she never saw her experience as a spiritual awakening, but more of a curse. And that it “was not until someone, (a misguided spiritual teacher), told her that it was a spiritual awakening ‘that she just didn’t understand’ that she finally felt some relief and began to teach and ‘describe’ it in this framework.” Yet there is also the question of the labeling of depersonalization disorder that was likely connected to the childhood trauma. And this was supposedly all to be presented in her second book.
Java also commented that once all of these memories were fully revealed by Suzanne and “integrated” (the commenter used that word) that “she finally knew peace and freedom, in the sense of feeling ‘whole’ once again, before she passed.” An important point is that “not feeling like a real person” is not the same as the experience of No Self. It is rather just a small part of a bigger totality. Eventually (to still function in the material reality), there has to be a re-coming together of a self (albeit one you no longer really believe in), which can then be used to follow the idea of Controlled Folly. For Suzanne, it seems that once there was no longer any need to put the experience in any sort of frame, nothing needed to be any longer hidden, and she could move on to the next phase of it all.
Java claimed that her new book was meant to help others not fall into the traps she fell into, “She felt very strongly that she owed it to the world to tell the truth about her experience, so as not to lead people astray (as she felt she was led astray) by concluding that the experience of ‘no-self’ was actually enlightenment. In fact, in her case, this was really a state of profound dissociation. She even described it quite accurately, as at first; she felt she was looking at herself from behind and to the side.”
Nothing that she had tried could help her because she was cut off from the underlying trauma that was in some part a doorway to what was the experience actually was. When she accepted the idea that she was enlightened, Java claimed Suzanne could relax because she no longer saw something as “wrong with her,” but rather that something special had happened to her. One could suppose that it was a sort of inner denial. “This didn't really last very long, however, before she fell into a deep depression, and that is when her real work began.” Thus the depersonalization disorder part of the experience, was both a hiding from the past, and at the same time, a call to go looking into her past.
Once the tumor was revealed to her, there could have been a sense of “no more time” left for games, and she got down to uncovering what had been hiding all this time. Java suggests a great transformation for her finally occurred, “propelled by her vigilant and deep desire to truly heal and know herself, along with a deeper knowing... Prior to that, she was attempting to frame her experience to fit into the model of ‘awakening’ she had been led to believe was true...For her, this was joyous, not the fabricated and superimposed ‘joy’ she describes in her book, but the real joy of being able to just be, without all these concepts that were merely masking a deeper suffering.” Can you more and more see why I think this second book could have been one of the great spiritual classics if it was published, and perhaps at the same time, put a whole bunch of spiritual teachers (then and up to today) out of business. This book could have shown first hand that much of what others claim as “spirituality” is just a whitewash covering personal trauma, confusion, pain and suffering.
This “spirituality” term is a carrot on the stick of endless happiness and importance, and is an obvious draw to one who has been living their life in confusion and pain. The problem of course is that 99% of what modern “spirituality” is does not really heal any of the underlying issues, and just creates a calming wall between them, which is what most people want. A wall that the egoic mind often builds into a new persona, the spiritually awake person, which of course is as fake as any previous persona that existed before.
I feel that Suzanne's experience at the bus stop was genuine, but her body-mind had not done the work prior to be in a position where it could smoothly deal with what came of it. We have to see our human life story clearly, even when later we see it all as fictional. Without uncovering that story fully, the egoic self can never “heal” its fragmentation. As only a non-fragmented ego can be left behind.
The experience of No Self is a calling, leading you to Totality. It is not in itself Totality, and it will trick you if you have a spiritual ego trying to make you feel important, or if you have a lot of un-dealt with trauma. I myself was tricked in this way for a while after the incident in the canyon. Eventually I snapped out of it, but not after a dose of years of illness that took its toll on “me.” If there is not much of the hidden personal self that is hanging on, then the integration afterwards can go quite smooth. If someone has not got their “house in order” and cleaned up their life story, then the experience of No Self is going to be very difficult. If un-dealt with trauma is left hiding in one’s past, then No Self is going to run all over you. For one cannot go where No Self leads if one is held down by cement-like weights or iron chains of the past. These past tethers are designed to keep our experiences deemed to be real because of the continuous suffering and anxiety they continue to create in the present moment.
Suzanne needed someone to tell her after the bus stop incident that she likely had a real experience of No Self, but there also must have been unresolved issues in her past, which is why she was getting stuck in the fear and a type of depersonalization disorder. This understanding right from the beginning could have helped her to start bringing up an examination of her unresolved past. If the walls covering and hiding the past are still intact, then the unseen stuff will just continue interfering. All of that from the past wants to be seen, for it can not be transformed and transmuted while still hidden.
Awareness is a light that shines on what is hidden, and, when seen, can no longer influence from the shadows. As an aside, I am curious what might have happened for Suzanne if she had found out about Richard Rose after her Paris experience, and been able to have a consultation with him. His response to her in this situation would have been valuable, not just for her, but for all of us as well, to see what Rose's suggestion might have been.
1 Suzanne Segal Collision With the Infinite, as well as websites,
2 Suzanne Segal, Collision p 49
3Suzanne Segal, Collision p 50-51
4Suzanne Segal, Collision, Introduction
5Suzanne Segal, Collision, pg 1
6Comment can be found at https://www.spiritualteachers.org/suzanne-segal/